I believe Piper because.,,,

I believe in the claims of the people who were there. He was not breathing, and there was no pulse.You who weren’t there have a different opinion,. .

I believe Piper because IF YOU HAD READ THE BOOK, you would know he was a “hostile witness” at first, to what he experienced. He did not want to go forward with the story. He had to be convinced to do it.,

Secondly, IF YOU HAD READ THE BOOK, you would have known that the Pastor who prayed for him, said he reached into the car and took his hand while he was praying. Come to find out later, that it couldn’t have been the dead pastors hand that he was holding. His hand was way too far away for him have reached.Both pastors later concluded, there is only one explanation, someone else had to be in the car. It must have been an angels hand.

I believe God is capable of bringing a person who was “dead” for 90 minutes back to life.

I choose to believe he did it here. You don’t.
Why can’t you move on. Why all the hostility?

I considered the scriptures BYS posted. I don’t think it contradicts scripture. We all have an appointed time to die. That’s what the Bible says. Its not a contradiction to believe that its possible that this wasn’t his appointed time. That’s my opinion. Why the anger?

Btw , You’re wrong to claim that I believe every single person who experiences a miracle. That’s your bigotry showing,. There is a book “93 minutes in Hell” Its along the same lines as this book. The writer claimed during his near death experience that he went to hell.
After reading the book, I didn’t buy into his idea.

I'm being hostile? CS was right. Conversing with you has actually helped to solidify my disbelief. When I talk to Malcolm, CS and others, I get good insight and intelligent arguments. They actually make me think. When I converse with you I want to beat my head against the wall. I'll agree with you on one point, it's time to move on. Life's too short.

How did we get from Tolerance and Christ's Love to 90 Minutes in Heaven? Does anyone have any comments on the topic?

Yes, there are two pages of them. Sorry, I brought up a point that had to do with Piper. Back on topic, here is the original post...

Christian author and speaker Josh McDowell reminds followers of Christ that,

We must humbly pursue truth. It may be difficult to speak the truth in today's climate, but Jesus said,

"The truth will set you free."

Pursuing truth in this context means countering the new doctrine of tolerance. It means teaching our children to embrace all people, but not all beliefs. It means showing them how to listen to and learn from all people without necessarily agreeing with them. It means helping them courageously but humbly speak the truth, even if it makes them the object of scorn or hatred.

We must always remember, however, that when the apostle Peter told us,

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have," he added, "But do this with gentleness and respect" (1 Peter 3:15).

We must aggressively practice love. Everyone loves love, it seems, but few recognize how incompatible love is with the new tolerance. Tolerance simply avoids offending someone; we must help our children live in love, which actively seeks to promote the good of another person.

Tolerance says, "You must approve of what I do."
Love responds, "I must do something harder; I will love you, even when your behavior offends me."

Tolerance says, "You must agree with me."
Love responds, "I must do something harder; I will tell you the truth, because I am convinced 'the truth will set you free.' "

Tolerance says, "You must allow me to have my way."
Love responds, "I must do something harder; I will plead with you to follow the right way, because I believe you are worth the risk."

Tolerance seeks to be inoffensive; love takes risks. Tolerance glorifies division; love seeks unity. Tolerance costs nothing; love costs everything.

I believe the dreadful potential of the new tolerance can be averted, but only with a renewed commitment to truth, justice and love. And, as it happens, that powerful trio of virtues can do more than prevent disaster; it can bring about true community and culture in the midst of diversity and disagreement.

Author: Josh McDowell. Excerpted from Focus on the Family magazine (Colorado Springs, CO: 1999). Text Copyright © 1999, Focus on the Family.

If an outsider were reading these posts, I wonder if they would think anyone on here was a Christian. I don't think I would. I cannot believe the sarcasm, rudeness and insults I see here from people who call themselves Christians. What kind of example is being presented to others?

Maybe some should review the original post. Jesus said to love your enemy and pray for him. Here is what the original post said.

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have," he added, "But do this with gentleness and respect" (1 Peter 3:15).

Tolerance says, "You must approve of what I do."
Love responds, "I must do something harder; I will love you, even when your behavior offends me."

BYS,

Because you chose to ONLY copy my response I'm going to assume you are directing this post to me. Unfortunately, I'm not concerned with what you think in this matter. If Ed has the right to post views and ideas that are directly offensive to me and others I have the right to point that out. If Ed has the right to directly insult my faith and to *passive aggressively* insinuate that I am not a true American or Christian (that is a personal attack of the lowest form) I most definitely have the right to defend myself and I will without hesitating.

Unlike you and Ed, I am not passive aggressive. I am direct. If I have something to say I will say it no matter if it is popular on this board or not. I am not here to collect friends. My conclusions are not without merit as I could not have made them if I had not read Ed's words. I do not apologize for the adjectives I used to describe the bulk of his ideas and demeanor because that is all that he showed the board. Perhaps he is not accustomed to women standing up to him and forcing him to take a dose of his own bitter, rotten medicine. Whatever the case may be, thankfully, it's not my problem. My conclusions were also substantiated on this very thread by another member of the board.

Lastly, If it's not just me that would describe Ed in this manner, but several people, perhaps the issue isn't with me.