I understood that the "he" is referring to Judah, but it specificallly states that the LORD was with him and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain, but not the valley, because of the iron chariots. This implies that he was able to drive out the mountain inhabitants BECAUSE the lord was with him. So the only way that this is NOT a contradiction, is if the lord chose not to help him drive out the chariot users. So if you say that this is not a contradiction, then you have to say that it is incorrect in stating that the lord was with him, because why would the lord be with him and not help him defeat the iron chariot users, like he helped him drive out the mountain dwellers? You need to clarify this. You can't just look past it.

On the second contradiction, I got a bit mixed up. I apologize for this. I posted the contradictory verses wrongly. Here is the real contradiction that needs to be addressed. I wasn't trying to intentionally be misleading about this:

Jeremiah 3:12 & Micah 7:18 establish the premise that he shows mercy and that his anger does not last forever. He is willing to forgive.

Numbers 32:13 shows that he kept his anger against Israel for 40 years.

then in Matthew 25:41 he casts anger eternally on the devil and his angels.

So while you may be able to sidestep a "contradiction" by saying that he has different ways of dealing with humans vs. angelic beings, you can't get past the fact that the proclamations in the bible about his mercy and forgiveness are inconsistent with his attitude in general.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would stop calling me an intentional liar. You have no right to say this. Debate the points. In my last post I was saying that you and Malcom were being dishonest for trying to degrade my character, by calling me willfully deceptive. This needs to stop.

"G"

This post was last modified: Jul 24, 2008 01:55 PM by ggeorge2814.

"So the only way that this is NOT a contradiction, is if the lord chose not to help him drive out the chariot users."

Because he chose not to ask the Lord. He thought he could do it himslef, w/o any help.

"So while you may be able to sidestep a "contradiction" by saying that he has different ways of dealing with humans vs. angelic beings, you can't get past the fact that the proclamations in the bible about his mercy and forgiveness are inconsistent with his attitude in general."

That is a total George SPin. Its not a question od 'sidesteping" its a question
of intepreting correctly what was said.

He is ALWAYS willing to forgive. He is AlWAYS looking to show mercy, but,
only to those who repent. YOU obviously have no desire to repent, therefore, you will not experience His forgiveness.

Stop saying that I'm spinning things too! This is the same as saying I am intentionally deceiving people. I am not. I am debating an issue with you.

Judges 1:1-2 says: "Now after the death of Joshua it came to pass, that the children of Israel asked the LORD, saying, Who shall go up for us against the Canaanites first, to fight against them? And the LORD said, Judah shall go up: behold, I have delivered the land into his hand."

The chapter then goes on to state his invasions and accomplishments. Up to verse 19, it never says anything about how he chose to do this alone, without god. Verse 19 even says that the lord was WITH Judah. Tell me how your explanation of "he thought he could do it by himself" is true. It's not stated in the text.

First off, this isn't about me. I have told you that your scare tactics aren't going to work on me, so you're wasting your breath. You know this isn't about witnessing to me anymore, this is about you defending your claims.

Secondly, supposedly god is ALWAYS willing to forgive, but two different verses show him waiting to forgive for 40 years, and another shows him cursing angelic beings for eternity. So your statment that he is ALWAYS willing to forgive, only works in the frame of argument about salvation, not about FORGIVENESS as his nature, which is the point of the "contradiction" about his nature.

Please try to respond to my arguments without trying to attack my character, if you don't mind, Christian man.

"G"

"Also, I would appreciate it if you would stop calling me an intentional liar. You have no right to say this. Debate the points. In my last post I was saying that you and Malcom were being dishonest for trying to degrade my character, by calling me willfully deceptive. This needs to stop."

Ok, what would you call a person who makes claim after claim that they can't back up? Misguided perhaps?

How about a person who continues to make claims, is then shown that those claims are wrong, yet he continues to make the same claims over and over.

What would you call that person?

I would call that person EdTWO.

Come on. Show me all of these instances where you have shown me to be wrong. Or where I make so many claims that I don't back up. SHOW ME!

Do a search on these forums, post the links to the specific posts where I do the things you are attacking me for, and I will respond to them.

"G"

This post was last modified: Jul 24, 2008 02:44 PM by ggeorge2814.

Seriously, I can't stand Ed either but you two go back and forth like an old married couple.