You miss my point. My point being that conservation of existing resources to satisfy fear filled environmentalists is not the answer.
Necessity is the mother of invention. And these bulbs do not satisfy that criteria. It delays the inevitable, that's all.

The energy expended to create and dispose of these bulbs is greater than the energy saved.
And the link already said that conventional bulbs are going to be phased out.
We are replacing a relatively safe bulb for one that is more polluting, more expensive to make, uses higher energy to produce, is made in a foreign country that continues to undercut US manufacturers and does nothing to even help solve the finite energy problem.
I'd want to know who's getting the kickbacks. Gore?

Ted Poe was talking about our Constitution in respect to the powers it gives and doesn’t give to Congress.
If you want to ignore what Ted Poe said about these light bulbs, that’s your business. Perhaps you should though, you just might learn something new. If you ignore what he said, you’ll never will give yourself the opportunity to learn something you may not have known. But, that was not the point of
my post.

I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but judging by your responses, you don’t seem to care what the Constitution says.If you think these Light Bulbs are a good idea, than Congress should be able to write a law making them mandatory to all, despite the fact that the Constitution gives them no such power.That’s what I get out of your replies. If I’m wrong, then I’m sure you’ll correct me and tell me why I am.

Its my opinion that many Americans, could care less what our Constitution says. If they agree with a particular issue, damn the Constitution. .

Ted Poe made the point that the Constitution gives no powers to Congress to put demands on its citizens on what light bulbs they are required to buy, by law.
Ted Poe recognizes when Congress has overstepped its bonds. I care when Congress does that, I’m wondering if you do?

Your opinion tells me you either don’t recognize that Congress has overstepped its bonds, or it could be you recognize it, but don’t care. If you’re like most Americans you probably don’t care. Congress ignores the Constitution and we like sheep just follow them and let them do what they want.

Just to be clear Our Founders gave Congress 18 enumerated powers that are spelled out in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.
I invite you to read them all here

The Constitution spells out the purpose of government is to protect our individual freedoms. Freedom is the ability to follow your own free will. Freedom is not having government bureaucrats force their will on us as this law does.

Our Founders wanted to limit the powers of Government,they feared a big centralized Government.

Today, Congress writes laws such as this one, which it has no business writing. Many if not most Americans blindly follow and are apathetic that their freedoms are slowly being eroded.

That was the point of my post.

I think conservation of existing resources is important to help the economy and to keep our country less dependent on foreign energy. I don't think it has anything to do with satisfying fears. JMO.

This is incorrect.

CFLs and LEDs are less polluting. While they may be more expensive to make, the cost savings in energy completely compensates for this. The same thing with the energy required to produce these bulbs, when you balance it out with the energy you save in everyday usage of the bulb, it becomes a moot point. And a solution to the finite energy problem won't happen overnight. In the meantime, we all need to do our part to cut our consumption until the technology catches up with the demand. And using CFLs or LEDs are a good start.

Edtwo, I find your entire post to be condescending. If you can't refrain from being a total [censored], please just skip over my posts completely.

Ted Poe didn't give me any new information.

"I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I will anyway". You seem to do this a lot... put words in my mouth. I do care what the constitution says. I just don't feel that the constitution is in danger or that this law contradicts the constitution in any way, and I explained why I think that in my previous post. If you would like to address the points I made in THAT post, please feel free to do so. But DO NOT put words in my mouth.

Of course I care when congress oversteps it's bounds, like they did with the patriot act. As I said, I don't think a law, which is serving to protect the environment, our energy demand, and ultimately our economy, oversteps the bounds of congress. Your right to buy whatever light bulb you want ends when it begins to affect other people. And at this point, with energy prices souring, the economy falling as a result, your desire to buy an inefficient bulb because you are either A) too lazy to recycle CFLs properly or B) you are paranoid about dropping one, affects not only every other American, but future generations as well.

I guess this is the part where I get to be condescending towards you. Tell me, how do you feel about the legalization of drugs? Shouldn't a person being able to exercise 'free will' and purchase whatever drug they want? What about birth control? Shouldn't a woman be able to exercise free will and purchase birth control direct from the drugstore, over the counter? What about the FAA - what right do they have to tell me whether or not an airplane is safe. It's unconstitutional! If I want to exercise my free will and take my chances by getting on any airplane I want, what right does the government have to step in? Their rules only make flying more expensive. What about marriage - wouldn't congress be overstepping it's bounds by making a law saying two men or two women can't get married? Shouldn't those couples have the individual freedom to follow their own free will? Shall I keep going, or do you get my drift.

It's a lightbulb. The government isn't telling you that you have to buy a certain bulb, or a certain brand. You still have the freedom to choose what light bulbs you use. Pick a better battle.

YOu forgot "C"......I'm afraid Congress is giving itself more power than the Constitution and our Founders intended them to have. Let me ask you, do you think the Constitution gives Congress the power to outlaw SUV's?

Question: What did it take for Congress to outlaw alcohol at one point in our history?
Ans: They needed to add an Amendment to the Constitution.They couldn't just write a law and outlaw it. So what makes you think the have the power to outlaw lightbulbs w/o amendinig the Constitution?

If you were really worried about the rising cost of energy in this country, you should be first blaming Congress. A 2004 government report admitted that federal regulations cost our economy at least $1.1 trillion each year. That’s $3,666 per person, so multiply that by the number of people in your household. And remember that’s before the 2007 energy bill. And in addition to taxes. Are you truly worried how the next generation will be affected?Because our Governemt is spending their money right now, due in large part to over regulation.
Read all about it

Yes, liberals like to take our money and spend it the way they believe its best. Then what they like to do is take the money that we have left over after taxes, and dictate to us how we should spend it. That's not the America
our Founders invinsioned. To me it sounds more of a dictatorship.

"Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS our problem" ...
Ronald Reagan

Amen.

Government needs to get out of the way and we'll be just fine.

This post was last modified: Jul 07, 2008 05:42 AM by EdTwo.

Congress isn't outlawing lightbulbs. You will still have the freedom to buy light bulbs.

Last time I checked, conservatives were pretty good at that too. Don't turn this into a "Liberals vs. Conservatives" thread, lets keep focused on the issue at hand.

And, I believe I asked you how felt about several other issues that are 'against free will'. Are you evading the question? I'm particularly interesting in hearing how your views on free will tie in with drug legalization and gay marraige.

"Congress isn't outlawing lightbulbs. You will still have the freedom to buy light bulbs.'

Question:In 5 years will we be able to buy the same light bulbs we can buy today?

Ans: No, because Congress has outlawed/banned/made illegal, the light bulbs we have today.

And, I believe I asked you how felt about several other issues that are 'against free will'. Are you evading the question? I'm particularly interesting in hearing how your views on free will tie in with drug legalization and gay marraige.

Not avoiding your question, but my answer will have to wait until I find more time

This post was last modified: Jul 07, 2008 08:01 PM by EdTwo.